tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14736201.post114246278215713593..comments2023-10-10T08:46:17.713-04:00Comments on drulogion: Presenting the Tenses of SalvationJohnLDruryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01120179182431573460noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14736201.post-1143201798993412752006-03-24T07:03:00.000-05:002006-03-24T07:03:00.000-05:00Instead of asking, "Are you saved?", shouldn't we ...Instead of asking, "Are you saved?", shouldn't we be asking, "Are you justified?"CowPihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07923190424317728359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14736201.post-1143041780795616202006-03-22T10:36:00.000-05:002006-03-22T10:36:00.000-05:00John,Though-provoking post. Any effort to "deconst...John,<BR/><BR/>Though-provoking post. Any effort to "deconstruct" the simplistic questions and simplistic answers about the gospel help us to think more clearly about our faith.<BR/><BR/>I would add to your excellent comments an observation from Tim Keller at Redeemer Presbyterian Church in NYC. (You can find several links to his writing on my blog.)<BR/><BR/>The question, "When were you saved?" reduces the gospel to only one of three perspectives presented in the Bible.<BR/><BR/>In addition to the <B>Salvation Perspective</B> there is also the <B>Kingdom Perspective</B>, which is emphasized by the Emergents and N. T. Wright. A third description is the <B>Grace Perspective</B>, which is the emphasis of much of the spiritual formation movement, especially writers like David Benner.<BR/><BR/>It's amazing how we have taken such a rich and full concept and reduced it to a "decision" made at a particular time in the past.<BR/><BR/>RodPastor Rodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00219078094185232711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14736201.post-1143031898371961952006-03-22T07:51:00.000-05:002006-03-22T07:51:00.000-05:00I cannot improve on the eloquence of Mr. Myles. I...I cannot improve on the eloquence of Mr. Myles. I can only say:<BR/><BR/>I was saved from the <B>penalty </B> of sin.<BR/>I am being saved from the <B>power </B> of sin.<BR/>One day I will be saved from the <B>presence </B> of sin.Tommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03614900870086438500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14736201.post-1143002993621662392006-03-21T23:49:00.000-05:002006-03-21T23:49:00.000-05:00I was saved at the tree of knowledge when God didn...I was saved at the tree of knowledge when God didn't kill Adam and Eve but clothed them in their nakedness.<BR/><BR/>I was saved when all of creation's eggs were placed in Noah's ark-shaped basket instead of being obliterated.<BR/><BR/>I was saved when Abraham decided on a starry night that God would supply the needed Viagra.<BR/><BR/>I was saved when Moses took the baton from Joseph and handed it off to Jesus during the transfiguration.<BR/><BR/>I was saved at the cross of Jesus Christ.<BR/><BR/>I was saved at the empty tomb.<BR/><BR/>I was saved in the spectator-style seats of the old Willow Creek Community Church auditorium while wearing a baseball hat, a t-shirt, and 80's style acid-washed blue jeans.<BR/><BR/>I was saved during my baptism when I took public ownership of my faith.<BR/><BR/>I was saved when I let God break my heart on a mountain in California as I looked over the city and wept.<BR/><BR/>I was saved when I met my wife and heard the Holy Spirit speaking through her pure heart.<BR/><BR/>I was saved when I became a dad... twice... and learned all about unconditional love.<BR/><BR/>I was saved when I stood by the casket of a former student last week... and knew he was in heaven because I let God use me in his life.<BR/><BR/>I was saved at the tree of life when human history ended and eternity began... it hasn't happened yet, and yet it already has.tonymyleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11396458619687708153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14736201.post-1142752559635002522006-03-19T02:15:00.000-05:002006-03-19T02:15:00.000-05:00John! I stumbled upon your blog. Great thought. ...John! I stumbled upon your blog. Great thought. I will peruse your writing a little more as soon as I finish some mid-terms this week. I am back in St. Louis to finish up my MDiv. Hope you are doing well.<BR/><BR/>Mark PeachMark Peachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11338603207753027949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14736201.post-1142690444590407982006-03-18T09:00:00.000-05:002006-03-18T09:00:00.000-05:001. Salvation has happened.2. Salvation will happen...1. Salvation has happened.<BR/>2. Salvation will happen.<BR/>3. Salvation is happening.<BR/>I like it...Keith Druryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05058949281404407630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14736201.post-1142528227997786462006-03-16T11:57:00.000-05:002006-03-16T11:57:00.000-05:00Coming from a different tradition, I find the ques...Coming from a different tradition, I find the question, "When were you saved?" presumptuous. It assumes, or presumes, that you already know the outcome of your judgement, that you <I>will</I> be going to heaven instead of hell.<BR/><BR/>Your discussion on tenses reserves the outcome of judgment for the future to God.<BR/><BR/>You ask, "What other orderings would you recommend?"<BR/><BR/>None at all, but if pressed, I would go with past, present, and future. Salvation is an ongoing process with a beginning, a middle, all heading to a future. Being a disciple of Christ is a life-long transforming process.<BR/><BR/>To ask someone when you were saved is akin to asking someone when they where married. Are you not more married today than your wedding day? (That question only has meaning if you are married.)CowPihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07923190424317728359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14736201.post-1142509824975417482006-03-16T06:50:00.000-05:002006-03-16T06:50:00.000-05:00Your ordering seems right theologically to me. On...Your ordering seems right theologically to me. One thing that this perspective helps focus, I think, is the whole question of salvation by faith or works. If we are asking, "What are necessary ingredients for the cake of salvation?" God's grace then Christ's atoning death then trust in what God has done in Christ and lastly the appropriate fruit of that trust all seem essential ingredients.Ken Schenckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09745548537303356655noreply@blogger.com